Love Wins,  Relationships

He’s Gay. And a Christian. My interview with Brett Trapp

If you’re anywhere inside the evangelical world, gay and Christian are rarely found in the same sentence.

A few months ago, Jen Hatmaker posted on Instagram about this blog she was obsessed with. It was a series of blogs written by Brett Trapp, a (now grown) pastor’s kid from the south. It’s his coming out journey – and a close look inside his relationship with Jesus.

The blog is his life’s story.

An honest, raw, humbling story.

I read his blog and was captivated. With tears streaming down my face, my heart understood a bit of what many inside our churches, youth groups, Bible studies and communities go through.


Their pain is there.

It’s just rarely seen.

The “gay” topic inside of church tends to spark a lot of fear. It’s either not talked about, or if it is a line is quickly drawn – with both sides holding firmly to their convictions and both adamantly opposed to the alternate point of view.

Pastor John Gray brilliantly said in a recent sermon, sit up in your chair, grab a drink from the fridge. We need to have a conversation. Come meet me on the bridge.

He goes onto say,

A bridge is an exchange of ideas…where we come and have dialogue without the fear of being judged for our personal ideology. A bridge is a span where two fixed points that would never connect would have an ability to meet over objects that would normally keep them from meeting.

I’m inviting you to meet me on a bridge.

One where we may have different view-points (and that’s okay!), but one where we can come together, open our ears to listen and open our hearts to a conversation.

This is not a blog to ignite personal viewpoints on what we believe is right or wrong. Dear God, we have enough of that everywhere else. This blog is an invitation to meet a person – a real person – who you would otherwise not have a chance to meet.

So, pull up a chair, grab a drink. I invite you to sit in on the conversation. Meet my new friend, Brett Trapp.

Hi Brett! Thank you for taking the time to let me interview you! Tell me a little about your upbringing…

Hey Anna! I grew up in a little river town called Florence, Alabama. It’s fairly small (about 40,000 residents). My dad was a Southern Baptist pastor of a pretty big church and my mom was a teacher when I was younger. I have two older brothers, Brady & Brian. We had a very lovely family not unlike other conservative Christian families in the 90s. Lots of love.

We weren’t perfect, but I feel like I hit the lottery with the family I got.

What was it like being a pastor’s kid?

I actually really loved it. Most PK’s don’t…but I did. It was kind of like being a mini-celebrity which is silly to say, but it’s true in a small southern town. I went to church three times a week—Sunday morning/night as well as Wednesday nights. I participated in all the extra programs—Bible drill, youth group, mission trips, etc. Aside from the spiritual aspect, I think church attendance in incredibly developmental for kids. You’re learning communication, character development, and eventually leadership (mostly in high school).

I also think my parents did a good job of shielding us from church drama. Every church has it, but I really struggle to remember anything about it which means they kept it from me. I loved being a preacher’s kid, and I loved the people I went to church with.

What was your first encounter with Jesus like?

Well, like most church kids, I knew all about religion growing up, but it took a while for me to finally meet Jesus for myself. It happened at a charismatic, Assemblies of God revival in Pensacola, Florida, around 1997. I was a sophomore in high school. I went to the revival with my family and had never seen anything like it–worshipping, dancing, shouting. But in that environment, I became aware that’d I’d done wrong and needed Jesus. I told the full story in Episode 6 of Blue Babies Pink.

Did you date girls and what was it like?

Well I certainly tried! Went on a few dates in middle school (got my first kiss), but didn’t really date at all in high school. I went to a small, conservative Christian school (less than 100 kids total). The book I Kissed Dating Goodbye had just come out so it was very en vogue to not date. It was a sign of your piety. I just had no emotional or physical desire to date girls, so I sorta hid behind that book and everyone thought I was super-spiritual because I didn’t date.

In college, I went on a few dates but they were so painfully awkward, I can’t even describe it. Going on a date with a girl when you’re gay feels like someone pushing you onto a stage in front of a big crowd and asking you to give a speech in Chinese when you don’t know a single word in Mandarin. Being asked to manufacture something you don’t have is an awkward and helpless feeling. I feel really bad that those girls had to put up with me back then.

When did you realize you were attracted to guys?

Well I always kinda sensed it, but it didn’t start out as a purely sexual thing. When I was in middle school, it kinda just felt like an intense envy. In high school I think I was able to just shut it down by staying really busy. But it was the summer after I graduated when I went to work at these youth camps down in Florida. There was a guy there—probably in his 20s—who I was undeniably attracted to. Seeing him around all week was torture and there was no joy in it. It was pure fear, because that was the first time I had to admit that this thing was real…my worst fear (of being gay) was coming true and I couldn’t stop it. (FYI: I wrote about that camp guy in Episode 10.)

What were you taught in church about homosexuality?

In the pantheon of really bad sins, it was pretty much the worst. In the 90s in the American South the really bad teenage sins—going from slightly terrible to completely and utterly terrible—were:

  1. Cussing
  2. Smoking
  3. Drinking
  4. Hetero pre-marital sex
  5. Drugs
  6. Dating someone of another race
  7. Getting pregnant out of wedlock (girls only. Guys seem to get off the hook on this one)
  8. Being gay

I’d rank those differently now, but back then, pretty much the last thing you’d want your kid to be is gay. Most southern mamas would rather their kid have a drug problem than be gay. That’s tough to admit, but most people who grew up then know it’s true.

So needless to say, I was well-aware of how the culture viewed it. What made (and still makes) the gay thing so bad is you have different sub-cultures that condemn it. American sub-culture in general didn’t like it. Masculine sub-culture didn’t like it. Southern sub-culture didn’t like it. And pretty much all religious institutions REALLY didn’t like it.

My dad was the pastor of our church, and I don’t remember him ranting about it, but it was definitely brought up by others and in the “literature” distributed from the Southern Baptist Convention. My Christian high school taught against it pretty loudly as well.

I learned early on that homosexuality was THE WORST, and when I realized that that awful thing was inextricably interwoven into my physiology, I was terrified. I “went into the closet” in my mind and swore I’d never tell anyone.

Did you attempt to fast/pray your “struggle” away?

Oh 100%. Every single day, basically. That was the obsession of my youth—high school, college, and even a little bit after. I believed that it was just like any other sin and with enough prayer, fasting, laying on of hands, casting out of demons, I could overcome it. I thought it could be sanctified into non-existence with enough prayer and persistence.

Did you feel lonely and if so, how did you cope?

Oh yes! I can’t even describe how lonely I felt over the years. In my early 20’s, I committed to a life of singleness/celibacy, because that’s what I thought God demanded of me. When you read Blue Babies Pink, loneliness is one of the most common themes—me watching everyone else “grow up” and grow into marriage, kids, etc.—and me feeling left behind and “stuck” in singleness. In my mid 20s I could ignore it. In my late 20’s it wrecked me. And in my 30s it exploded into full-blown anxiety. One of the more popular/sad episodes I wrote was Episode 24 called “Lonely Practice” in which I tell how I would literally practice being lonely in hopes that it would get easier. Bottom line though: Humans are made for love and companionship and no matter how many times I told myself I didn’t need it, the worse it got.

When did you embrace being gay?

Well this is tricky to answer because I don’t love the word “embrace.” It makes it sound like there was a moment where I donned a rainbow speedo, picked up my rainbow flag, and stormed the streets of Atlanta in an unbridled fit of gay pride, lol.

I’ll say this: Sometime in my mid-20s I accepted the reality that my body was same-sex attracted and, based off my research, that was unlikely to change. That’s not a statement of support for the “gay lifestyle,” it’s simply a declaration of personal biology. It’s like a brunette who desperately dyes her hair blonde every day, and then one day wakes up and says, “I’m just a brunette. It is what it is. And I’m okay with that.” *trashes hair dye*

What was the reaction of your friends and family when you came out?

Really great, actually. The vast majority of my community was (and is) conservative Christian people. The gay issue is so taboo, I was really fearful that some/all of them might reject me. The reality was though, it never happened. Of course, some of them were shocked (and some totally were NOT shocked, haha). But all my family and my close friends have been so kind and loving through this. Not all of them agree with me theologically, but that doesn’t stop them from loving me or me from loving them. We’ve learned to love each other in spite of great disagreement. This is something I wish our culture could learn.

Tell me about your first date with a guy?

Haha. You have to read Blue Babies Pink for that story. 😉

As a Christian, what would you tell others who have friends/family who are gay?

Your first and only job is to love that person. Whether they are same-sex attracted and are committed to celibacy or if they are just beginning to date or if they have been in the “gay scene” for a decade, it doesn’t matter. ALL THAT MATTERS IS THAT YOU LOVE THEM. Of course, there may come a time to talk theology, behavior, etc., but if you start there, your influence is wasted. I recommend loving your gay friend/family member as intensely as you can for as long as you can before that stuff comes up. Then, if they are okay with it, ask them questions. Let them tell you what their experience has been like. Ask them about the journey, the fear, the loneliness, etc. Everyone’s story is so different.

You must understand that gay people who’ve grown up in the church feel fundamentally unlovable. Many of us are shackled with more shame than you can imagine. “But they need to know where I stand on this!” No. They don’t. Every gay person in America knows the churches will only push us away. Take a LOOOOOONG season of loving and listening, and over time, you will earn the right to talk further. But start, continue, and finish with love.

To read Brett’s full story, go to Blue Babies Pink.



Author. Blogger. Speaker. Momma to 4.


    • Michael Lopez

      Dear Amanda : just a question. Is Brett a practicing gay man , that is, is he acting out his homosexuality with another man?

      I saw from his Thanksgiving blog that he has a boyfriend. Do they have sex? I realize there is same-sex attraction. But I think the acting out part is the where the rubber hits the road. It’s where desire (which may or may not be sinful) becomes manifested sin. Can you help me out with this? Thx. Signed, “Christian father of a beloved and precious gay Son”.

  • Caleb Foster

    I’m really looking forward to reading this man’s blog and story. Having grown up in and out of my lesbian mom’s house and foster-care, as well as struggling with my own same-sex attraction, it will truly be an interesting and insightful read. One I will probably relate to in deep ways.

    Currently I’m happily married to my wife, Emily, and grateful I’ve chosen it. The road has not been easy and will probably continue to be challenging, but one that is worth the thrill. This topic of homosexuality is not spoken of in love enough and I’m happy I saw this blog posting! Can’t wait to send it to Emily!

    Curious to you, Anna, do you agree with his viewpoint? I’d love to read your thoughts on it if you have written them down!

    • Anna McCarthy

      Hi Caleb! Brett and I haven’t discussed our theologies in depth, so I can’t say if our beliefs totally line up or not. But, this is a topic I have been researching for almost 6 years now….and am still researching 🙂 At some point I will probably share where I’ve landed theologically. But for now, I will say is this: I believe God is good. And I believe his thoughts have and always will be bigger and broader than we could ever imagine on every topic – including this one.
      Having that said, the greatest thing we (as Jesus followers) can do is love, love, love and then love some more. And when we get that right, I imagine the gritty details of whose opinion is “right” or “wrong” won’t matter as much. Instead we might just start to see how ALL of us are made in God’s image. And if we dare to look close, we will see God’s fingerprints all over everyone; even those we may disagree with 😉
      Thanks for sharing a bit of your story with us!! You are an amazing soul. Hugs to you!

  • beckielindsey

    Anna, I know you may get some flak for writing this. Shoot, as a conservative Christian author/blogger, I may get some flak for liking the post and for my opinion that is to follow.

    However, I appreciate your approach. Furthermore, I appreciate hearing Brett’s story. He is a person, loved by God no matter what. I will take to heart his advice. It makes so much sense to show love, compassion and get to know and understand the person before spouting of theology.

    Does this mean I agree with his lifestyle? Before I address that, I must say this: I don’t have to agree with him to show him love and compassion. Having said that, I still hold fast to what the Bible says about homosexuality and other sin issues that I myself deal with—one being gluttony. I’m not saying the two are the same. In fact, I’m not rating which sins are worse than others. Sin is sin. I’m saying we all deal with our sin nature. BUT beyond that, we are called to LOVE God and love others as ourselves. It breaks my heart to see how the church is handling this issue.

    I want to grow. I want to understand. I want to love the way Jesus did. Bias, exclusion and downright hatred are dividing THE Church. We are all part of one body.

    Thanks for a thought-provoking and daring post.
    Grace and peace,
    Beckie from Spotlight

    • Anna McCarthy

      Hello my sweet fellow Christian blogger!!! Girl, you are great. I often say, if stone throwers show up, I must be doing something right. 😉 I agree that exclusion, hatred and spiritual bullying were never the heart of Jesus. He unified, never divided. And he had an open seat for everyone at his table. This is why we love him.

      • Robbie

        “I agree that exclusion, hatred and spiritual bullying were never the heart of Jesus. He unified, never divided. And he had an open seat for everyone at his table. This is why we love him.”
        We need more people like you in this world! I truly believe this about our Lord. The greatest is to love your God and others:-)

    • Jennifer.A

      Beautifully written. I agree that love is the foremost thing God wants all of us to have…to everyone on this planet. Father, teach us how to love first.

  • Dave Breid

    Thanks for this interview. I’ve read all the episodes in Brett’s “Blue Babies Pink” .. wonderful compilation
    of all that Brett went through … I’m a PK also, altho I never came out as a gay til in my 50’s — am 65 years old now and still most don’t know about me. Hard life trying to live your life like your church family “tells” you that you should live, even though it’s totally opposite of who you are. I recommend everyone read “Blue Babies Pink” … worth the time … Just wish I was as brave as Brett was but not all of us have that “coming out” braveness needed to do that.

    • Anna McCarthy

      Hi Dave! I am sending a BIG warm hug to you. I believe that being told how you are “supposed” to be is one of the hardest obstacles to overcome, no matter what your story. You are much braver than you think 😉 HUGS.

  • Michael Blaylock

    Pretty awesome stuff here, glad to see it on another Christian’s site. I talk about this topic now and then and went to a Pride Fest recently (blog on that eventually) but it’s nice to see it elsewhere, and I look forward to seeing this person’s full story. Wrote a novel on this topic, hoping it goes places.

  • sarahprab37

    Anna, I adore this read! It’s always good to hear and understand these stories in a clear and concise way. Great writing and great story. I, too, am searching for more answers from God about this subject, but regardless it is endlessly important to show love. Also I love your blog and am hoping you can check mine out as well! After 2 years I have finally started sharing my blog with people (I’m pretty shy haha) so if you do check it out I would appreciate feedback and critique! The link is Anywho, I look forward to reading more of your posts!

  • BrookeM

    Hi Anna and Brett! Thank you, Brett, for sharing some of your story! I, too, grew up in southern Alabama inside a large Southern Baptist Church (although I’m a child of the 80’s, not the 90’s) and I can testify to the validity of your “hierarchy of sins list.” Pretty accurate!! My prayer is that we are moving towards a new hierarchy built around how kind we are to each other, to strangers, to the poor and to the outsider.

    Do either of you follow the blog “A Life Overseas”? They linked a similar story last week from an MK (rather than a PK):

  • Kenny Warkentin

    I appreciated reading this interview and the grace extended in hospitality. I believe that how we love is fundamental. How do we love those considered lepers.

    There are definite similarities to Brett’s journey that I experienced growing up feeling shame and guilt with regard to same sex attraction. Wrestling with God with the chaotic and broken complexities of my human nature I eventually came out gay identified at 30.

    This burning sense to find love, affirmation to appease the loneliness! How often I’ve heard this. I seemingly had it all…partner, material goods, friends, my gay indie toy and yet there still was this vast emptiness and if I ever allowed myself to sit quiet enough or not fill it with stuff, I’d be overcome by it.

    And yet God in His mercy came and spoke words of life “You don’t have to be gay!” (Exact words spoken) and the life I had constructed was now up for debate.

    I submitted all rights to Jesus and took up my cross to follow after him. The journey wasn’t going to be easy but he had said it wouldn’t be…all I needed to do was trust and obey.

    12 years later my life is completely different, (pastor, married to a female) yet one thing remains, my sinful human nature that is at war with The spirit living in me. My loneliness is one of the key areas that the Lord ministered to. It could only be him! No other person, place or thing could bring life to that void.

    What this journey has taught me is to love radically, to submit radically, to obey and trust radically and in doing so the sweet aroma of Christ crucified and risen is seen. This journey helps me to see that love goes into the mess of the leper, the homeless, the schizophrenic, the ‘unlovelies’ and speaks another word of belong.

    My only cautionary hope is that we don’t sympathize so much with a persons loneliness and the chaos of broken humanity that we forget that we have a Holy God who is always saying submit!

  • Robbie

    To me, Jesus is about loving others and being there for them in their life journey. We all struggle and need to feel loved….your blog is filled with wisdom:-)

  • Michael Lopez

    Just read the comnents. Liked them all. Really liked some. Thx. Your article on Brett Trapp and the associated comments resonate with me as I walk on this journey of love and prayer and supplication, with my precious Son. Blessings and Love, in Christ our King. He is our All.

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